i sold solar panels in the 1980's. it worked very well in michigan, where everybody said it would not. now, i'm looking hundreds of years ahead of time, being concerned of future generations. i know we need to transition of all levels for sustainability. i can feel how we have -- host: yes? caller: big reds, but i think we need to wake up and think of -- ignorance, but i think we need to wake up and think of future generations. we need a more sustainable element with it. host: we lost you for a moment but we got the gist of what you were talking about, sustainability. guest: manufacturers like so linda, which went bankrupt -- like solyndra, which went bankrupt after a loan guarantee. the administration would say these companies were undercut by solar panels produced in china that could not compete. but as the price of solar panels has gone down, one of the benefits of that, installations has increased. it is still a small percentage of the total electricity we use, but it is on the rise. host: the state of ohio has the